More Anonymous Weird Tales of a Nazi Hacker
After an absence of almost a year, Myatt’s cyber-stalker has struck again. On a new twist to an old disinformation campaign, the anonymous coward has set up a blog at
http://davidmyattantonlong.blogetery.com/
Go read that blog, and enjoy!
Loyal readers of this AboutMyatt blog – yes, all seven of nine of you! – may recall that the anonymous coward plagued message boards and forums, world wide, with claims of someone [hint, hint; wink, wink; nudge, nudge] – an alleged nazi – hacking into people’s computers in order to get personal details and then harassing those people in a horrid way, both in cyberspace, and in the real world. In order to make these totally unverified accusations seem even more horrid, the anonymous coward making the accusations made a point of claiming that “disabled people” were specifically being targeted.
The new claims are basically a variation on the old theme, except that the anonymous coward now claims that someone [hint, hint; wink, wink; nudge, nudge] has in fact set up various messages boards and forums for the specific purpose of doing all this, including – believe it or not – Black British Forums and BN Village.
Enough said, perhaps. But perhaps not. For we would like to point out again that these old – and new – claims – are not only crazily fanciful in the best paranoid delusional way – but also totally lacking credibility to the sagacious because they contain not one piece of evidence.
The anonymous coward was even challenged, last year, to report the matter to the Police, who would be most interested in such activities, and who would most certainly launch an investigation into the matter, if there was any evidence at all, even if only circumstantial.
When challenged, on one particular forum last year to do this, the anonymous coward replied – anonymously, of course – that they had done so, and that the Police just weren’t interested. Which beggars belief – unless the Police, having been given no evidence or verifiable facts in the matter – had also dismissed them as fantasies. But, even so, the Police would have been obliged to record the matter and to give the person an “incident number”. When asked for this “incident number” – or even the name of the Police Officer see, or even the Police Station where the report was made, the anonymous coward was strangely silent.
Which, of course, leads one to conclude there was no report made to the Police, and that the whole story is just more anti-Myatt disinformation; more poisonous slurs and smears against David Myatt.
On the matter of disinformation, and of slurring people in general for a political purpose, British readers will surely have read or heard about the recent plot, by one Damian McBride – friend, and advisor to the British Prime Minister Gordon Brown – to smear David Cameron, the Conservative Party leader, and other political figures. Which reveals, in its details, not only how the tactic is used, but also how commonplace such dishonourable tactics have become in the societies of the West.
Which leads us to ask: (1) why is David Myatt the subject, yet again, of another smear campaign? and (2) what does or do the person or the people behind this current campaign hope to achieve?
To answer the second question first: they hope, obviously, to discredit the man. Which leads us to the first question: why? Perhaps because they are worried about his influence? Worried about the impact of his writings? If so, what influence, and what writings? His previous incarnation as a fanatical nazi? Or his more recent incarnation as a Muslim (Abdul Aziz Ibn Myatt), preaching Jihad against “the Zionists and their Western allies”? Or both, since it does appear as if – despite his conversion to Islam and his total rejection of his former nazi views (1, 2, 3) – many people of the so-called “radical Right” still read, and often still appreciate, his NS writings.
Which all leads us to other questions. Questions such as, just who are these people who have – for over twenty years – being spreading rumours, making allegations, and propagating disinformation about Myatt? What is their agenda? Questions such as, just what have they seen, or understand or intimated, about Myatt that they consider him such a threat as to warrant such a long-lived campaign of lies, disinformation and smears? What have we, the audience for such lies, disinformation and smears, been missing, or misunderstanding about Myatt for so many years?
However, what I, personally, find particularly interesting about the whole matter of this decades-long disinformation and smear campaign against Myatt is how different people react to it. Myatt’s former political associates – the nazi and the “white nationalists” – by and large act dishonourably and either believe the disinformation, the rumours and the smear, or they mindlessly parrot them whenever Myatt is mentioned (often, of course, they do both). In a different league, altogether, it appears, are the Muslims, who either dismiss the disinformation and smears “out of hand”, or they come to Myatt’s defence, as they did, for example, of the IA forum when Myatt’s notorious zionist stalker started posting his lies.
Now, which one of these two groups of people are acting correctly, when faced with such rumours, such disinformation, such smears – about Myatt – as are now being made, yet again? Which – maybe even more interestingly – leads one to ask just why do the Muslims, it seems, act in this honourable way?
Some apposite quotes:
Narrated Ka’b ibn Malik: When the Prophet (salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) intended to go on an expedition, he always pretended to be going somewhere else, and he would say: War is deception. (Abu Dawud, 14, 2629)
Tales of a Nazi Hacker (And More) by Pointyhat
In addition to the recent spate of anonymous posts on Internet forums pretending to ask for information about “David Myatt and Islam“, there has been, for several years, other anonymous posts about Myatt, to Internet forums, with titles like “A Nazi Hacker”.
These other posts make the absurd claim that some neo-nazi (or some neo-nazi Satanist) is hacking into the computers of “vulnerable” and/or “disabled” people, and stealing personal information about them. Sometimes Myatt is directly named in these posts; sometimes not, although if he is not directly named then links are given to biased articles about or concerning Myatt, which articles usually make the usual unproven allegations about “involvement with Satanism” and so on. Occasionally, these anonymous posts claim that the writer “has contacted the Police” about the hacking, and that the Police don’t take him/her/it seriously. The posts have appeared on forums as diverse as those about Billy Brag, those to do with “Black politics”, and those to do with education such as the “Association of Jewish Sixth Formers”.
Occasionally, there have been responses to these anonymous posts, with some respondents taking the ludicrous – and always unsubstantiated – claims seriously, and with some realizing they are the posts of a troll, a stalker, or someone with an obsession, with personality problems or some kind of personality disorder.
The total lack of evidence given for the allegations made, directly or indirectly, against Myatt is one of the most obvious features of not only these anonymous posts, but also of the many journalistic articles about Myatt which have regularly appeared and which do regularly appear in newspapers, in periodicals, and on the Internet. More often than not, the allegations revolve around alleged involvement with Satanism, although quite why anyone these days would find such now rather common-place activities startling, heretical, outlandish, or mildly salacious or even interesting, is never explained. Which is why, I suppose, the new anonymous stalker is trying a new angle – of “a nazi hacking the computers of disabled people”. Shock; horror; gasp! Hold the front-page! Let’s make a new BBC Panorama special!
It seems likely that all these anonymous posts about “David Myatt and Islam”, and about a “Nazi hacker”, are by one and the same person, given the content, the style, the attempts at being clever, and their placement on varying, and world wide, forums. The content almost always includes links to the above mentioned biased Internet articles about Myatt.
It also seems likely that we can expect more such posts by the anonymous person, for this person obviously has a serious obsession with Myatt, and obviously has either some personality disorder or some psychological problem, or – like Myatt’s infamous Zionist stalker - is intent, because of his own religious and/or political views, on trying to somehow discredit Myatt by such anonymous posts.
Perhaps there is only one Myatt stalker out-there in cyber-land: the “original Myatt stalker” (®Trademark) – a.k.a the obsessive Zionist – who has now branched out, and is trying some new anti-Myatt angle. Perhaps there are now two stalkers, the original one, and this “new Myatt stalker” (®Trademark) who is addicted to posting stories about Myatt and who, obviously deluded, sees himself/herself/itself as rather clever by inventing stories about a Nazi hacker and by pretending to ask for information while repeating unproven allegations about Myatt.
Personally, my view is that there are now two Myatt stalkers. But perhaps some more will join this select and always anonymous group, and they will get together to widen the scope of their allegations. How’s about: “David Myatt is an alien from Outer Space”? Or: “Myatt is a vampire and regularly sucks the blood of his victims?” Too outré? OK, how’s about: “Myatt the secret MI5 agent”? Oh, sorry, that’s already been done. Well, then, how’s about: “Myatt the secret cat-burglar”? Or: “Myatt the drug-dealer”. Or even: “I was Myatt’s sex slave and the freaky fiend had a passion for three women in a bed…”
But what does seem clear from these regular anonymous posts which have been regularly occurring for at least seven years is that there are disturbed maladjusted people “out there” who take cowardly advantage of the Internet to anonymously spread their delusions, their fantasies, their prejudices, their unproven allegations – and the lies of others – about Myatt. Part of the human condition, I suppose. Potential opfer, anyone?
David Myatt and Islam: A Plethora of Posts From a Stalker
Introduction
The following item about Myatt – under various titles including David Myatt and Islam – has been appearing on many, mainly political, forums, world-wide, within the last month, and is posted under various user names.
So far, there have been about fifteen forums infested with this message, all of which messages are identical, which certainly does indicate a concerted campaign of disinformation by (probably) just one individual who has a rather unhealthy obsession with Myatt.
I say “disinformation” because the person makes a rather silly pretense of doing some “research” and asking for information about Myatt, stating that “the only information from independent sources that I can find is…” and then gives links to two sites which are far from being “independent sources”. One is a conspiracy site by a conspiracy nut; the other is a political organization which has been posting various unsubstantiated allegations about Myatt for over twenty years, and which is itself rumored to be linked to Britain’s MI5 (see the Wikipedia article about this “Searchlight” group for more info).
It is a silly pretense about asking for information about Myatt, because:
Anyone who’s seriously interested in the relationship that may exist between some Muslims and the far Right would have found and read Professor Michael’s book about the subject – The Enemy of My Enemy: The Alarming Convergence of Militant Islam and the Extreme Right - which provides some good info.
Anyone who’s seriously interested in David Myatt would have found the Wikipedia article about him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt
which provides a fairly balanced overview of the man, and gives references for further research.
The person also makes at least three factual errors in his two short paragraphs. The errors are:
(1) “he announced to the world”. Wrong – Myatt kept quiet about it for nearly two years.
(2) “It made quite an impact in the UK press at the time”. Wrong. It went unnoticed until two years later, after Myatt featured on BBC Panorama program about Copeland. Even then, there were only a few articles about Myatt.
(3) “since then I have heard nothing”. Wrong. Like I said, he missed the full page article in The Times newspaper, and Myatt’s Q&A session on Sheikh Qaradawi’s website, and Myatt’s interesting article “From Neo-Nazi to Muslim” which has appeared on many Islamic websites, including recently one in the UK, and one in Thailand.
The sources given by this obvious cyber-stalker are clearly hostile ones despite the stalker writing “I don’t think either of them is a hostile source…” [regarding Searchlight, see the upcoming article "David Myatt and Searchlight" which will appear on this blog soon].
It is possible that the offending author of the offending post is the young Canadian-based Zionist who has a Myatt obsession and who has been stalking Myatt for over seven years.
I reproduce the item in question as it has appeared on such forums, complete with links.
The Offending Post
I am interested in the relationship between Muslim extremism and the far Right.
A few years ago a guy called David Myatt announced to the world that he was converting to the muslim faith. Up to that point he had a strong involvement with various neo-nazi political groups. It made quite an impact in the UK press at the time, but since then I have heard nothing. The only information from independent sources that I can find is this:
http://rigorousintuition.yuku.com/topic/821/t/David-Myatt-Searchlight-article.html
and this:
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/nazi.html
Please help out if you can find anything else on this.
I haven’t put any gaps in my links because I don’t think either of them is a hostile source. If there are any problems, will the Moderator please get in touch and I will change them.
Update and Addendum:
More on the New Myatt Stalker:
As reported above, an anonymous person has been posting dozens of messages to forums, world-wide, pretending to be doing some “research” into either David Myatt or into cooperation between Muslims and neo-nazis.
I write “pretending”, for the reasons given above, but to summarize: the obvious intent of this new stalker is to try to discredit Myatt by posting links to biased articles containing unproven allegations against Myatt while claiming that he/she “can only find” the posted “independent” links which are far from being “independent”.
In a new twist, the stalker posted an even more obsequious message that usual on an Islamic forum, giving the “usual two biased links”, as before, but added a quote from a forged item – questioning Myatt commitment to Islam – the like of which quote the zionist stalker (famous for his failed attempts to discredit Myatt on the Islamic Awakening forum) has posted several times before.
This post – like some of the other posts by the new stalker – drew the attention of a certain Myatt fan: someone who finds Myatt’s life interesting and respects his conversion to Islam. So, the fan replied to the stalker’s message on the Islamic forum, pointing out that the new stalker was possibly the zionist who had insulted the Prophet, Muhammad (which insult, many Muslims believe, carries the death penalty for Muslims and non-Muslims alike) and who had been stalking Myatt for around seven years.
This reply elicited an excited response from the new stalker: “I am so cross…Why is he stalking me?” he wrote, trying to deflect attention from his own stalking of Myatt by accusing the Myatt fan of stalking him, a familiar, and rather cry-baby, tactic which the “old” zionist stalker had also tried to use on numerous occasions, on Usenet and elsewhere. Obviously the new stalker forgets that he is the one who posted dozens of messages about Myatt, under various, different, user-names, pretending to ask to “information”, perhaps believing that he/she is being very clever by posting what they believe is a “cleverly crafted” message.
The stalker also accused the Myatt fan of being Myatt, another common ruse employed by obsessives in cyberspace obsessed with getting their obsession across.
Here is one of the replies by the Myatt fan (who for some conspiratorial reason often uses the user-name raffy) to the reply by the person who does seem to be rather obsessed with Myatt in a somewhat negative sort of way.
Anyone of any sagacity can see right through your “polite request” for info – as I pointed out in my first reply to your initial post.
Instead of answering the points I made about your post being just a trick to spread malicious rumors and allegations about Myatt, you now just use the tired old Usenet-type tactic of making accusations against me, of trying to shift the focus away from your factual errors, of which there are many.
So, what about the many factual errors contained in your original short post?
Thus, I repeat my points:
1) If you really are doing some serious research, then you would have found far more than the two spurious so-called “independent” items you linked to. Items such as books by Professor Kaplan, and Professor Michael.
2) If you had done even some preliminary, elementary research you would have found that Myatt did not “announce his conversion” to the world, as you claimed.
3) What about your error that “It made quite an impact in the UK press at the time…”? It went unnoticed for almost two years.
4) What about your error that “since then I have heard nothing…” ? Like I wrote, you missed the full page story in The Times newspaper; you missed Myatt’s question and answer session on Sheikh Qaradawi’s website. You missed an awful lot more.
5) What about your erroneous claim that the two sources you could find (obviously your Google or Yahoo searches are very different from mine) are “independent”? They are not independent in any shape or form. One makes the claim – without providing any evidence – that Myatt was/is an MI5 agent, and one is a political organization which even many on the Left in Britain find somewhat dubious because of its (alleged) links with MI5 and its past divisive actions within the Left. The people at Searchlight are just part of The Fourth estate: they do not deal in facts, but in innuendo, smear, allegations and assumptions.
As for the allegation that Myatt is MI5, this has now been taken further, with claims that he’s a 5GW operative (wow!) – but again, proof is lacking. It’s just assumption.
See
http://www.skilluminati.com/Research/entry/the_language_of_power
and
So, the conclusion is – due to all these errors and mistakes – that your post is just a ruse to spread unsubstantiated allegations about Myatt. If it was not, you would at the very least have given some other links which balanced the biased view of Searchlight – which, BTW, never presented any evidence for their allegations, ever. Check out:
http://aboutmyatt.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/david-myatt-and-searchlight-rumors/
Identity of the New Stalker Revealed?
Update, May 9, 2008 CE
Someone drew my attention, the other day, to a remarkable similarity between the many messages about Myatt, mentioned above, and messages posted some months ago, on forums like Stormfront, asking questions about a certain Richard Moult (ex-ONA).
The identity of the Moult stalker/troublemaker is well-known among esoteric-minded folk of the sinister kind (a few of whom have “put a hex on him”). This particular individual hails from Shropshire, and he has something of an unsavory reputation as a wife-beater, has a personal grudge against Moult, and has tried to sell stories of Moult’s involvement with the ONA, and with Myatt’s Reichsfolk, to various British tabloid newspapers, who just weren’t interested.
So, it’s possible that this person has now turned his attentions – for whatever warped reasons – to Myatt (a former personal friend of Moult’s).
But it’s also possible, of course, that it’s just the old zionist Myatt stalker (of Islamic Awakening forum fame) trying out new tactics, which have failed miserably.


