Seems that the “a nazi hacker stole my brain” story (or some such nonsense) – by anonymous coward – is set to run and run as anonymous coward sets up more blogs and posts on more forums and message boards, world wide, in a new concerted effort to discredit Mr David Myatt aka Abdul-Aziz Ibn Myatt.
Anonymous coward has even taken to doctoring one of the photographs of Myatt taken by the BBC’s Panorama team in 2000 when they confronted Myatt with the claim that he had inspired David Copeland’s brief reign of terror on the streets of London in 1998.
Anonymous coward makes claims such as the following:
” For several years, Anton Long has been involved in a series of attacks on disabled people. He has many fake identities on the BBC Ouch! message board, and is stealing data from vulnerable people who use BBC OUCH …”
But – wait a minute – where is the evidence that Mr Long has been involved in a series of attacks on disabled people? Where is the evidence that he has many fake identities on this message board, or indeed, on any others? Just how does anonymous coward know that it is Mr A. Long posting such message? And so on, and so on, etcetera.
Now – wait just another minute – where is the evidence for the long standing claim that this Anton Long character is Myatt?
Thus, we ask the anonymous coward to do the following: (1) report your accusations of “hacking” and harassment (and such like) to the British Police, and then publish details of when, where and to whom you made your report; (2) please do try and provide and publish some evidence. Evidence, by the way, is not the same as: innuendo, malicious allegations, rumours, suspicion, supposition, disinformation, libel and slander; (3) please do refrain from argumentum ad hominem and wild flights of fancy, such as the ludicrous claim that someone replying to your plethora of posts (to point out your lack of evidence, and your errors) is somehow ’stalking’ you.
Those interested in further allegations made against Myatt, over the past decade or so, might find the following URL of interest, as it links to a selection of often uncomplimentary and sometimes tenditious items about Myatt written by various individuals, and organizations, such as the British anti-fascist group Searchlight -
Rumors, Allegations, And Conspiracies, About David Myatt
Finally, it is worth asking, again: why all these rumours, allegations, all this disinformation, all these suppositions about, all these attempts to libel, slander, smear and discredit Myatt, for over two decades? Why such a concerted campaign against him for over two decades? Why so much hatred directed at this one man? Just who hates, and/or fears, Myatt so much that there is this long lived vendetta against him?
Is there some clue, perhaps, in Myatt’s life long battle against what he calls ” the perfidy of the Zionists, and their allies…” ?
Introduction
The following item by me is really just cobbled together from some e-mail correspondence I’ve had with several people, recently, about David Myatt, his poetry, and his Numinous Way, and if, and how, this stuff is related to the ONA and “Anton Long’s” sinister aims. I’ve naturally amended my original e-mail text in places, added some bits, and turned some of the quoted e-mail text, of others, into questions.
In the interests of fairness, I must point out that it is my belief that Anton Long is a pseudonym of Myatt’s. Therefore, I have used this belief of mine – this assumption – in order to arrive at certain conclusions regarding Myatt’s life and works.
For his part, Myatt publicly affirms his continuing commitment to Islam; still continues, publicly and privately and consistently, to deny being Anton Long; denies any involvement with the ONA, and denies authorship of the few new, dated and undated, articles, about The Numinous Way, which have appeared on the internet in the past two or three years and which, sometimes, have been attributed to him or have had his name added to them.
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Reading Myatt’s latest material about The Numinous Way, his poetry and “private letters”, it appears he’s left behind both Islam and – if it’s accepted he’s “Anton Long” – the ONA itself.
Perhaps it would be better to say: material attributed to him. But, that said, my personal view – and that of some other people I know, who are mostly associated with the Order of Nine Agles – is that he’s neither publicly left behind his role as a radical Islamist, inciting Jihad, nor left behind the ONA, or maybe I should say, my assumption is that he’s not personally abandoned, nor personally gone beyond, the ONA.
Certainly, there appeared, for a short while and in public, updated versions of Part 3 of his Autobiographical Notes, attributed to him, as well as updated material by Julie Wright, which did appear to confirm that he’s finally abandoned Islam, and returned to his own Numinous Way philosophy. But these were all soon removed, to be replaced with the “older” versions which affirmed his continuing commitment to Islam. This indicates, to me, that he wants to maintain – in public at least – his image as a radical Muslim, and leaves open the question as to whether or not he personally has abandoned belief in Islam, assuming, that is, he ever did have any real, personal, belief in Islam, and wasn’t just using it for some sinister purpose as many people, myself included, believed and believe.
There is also the fact that Myatt has continued to write Islamist articles – at least five dated this year, including The Aims of Al-Qaeda (dated only a few months ago) and Honour is From Allah Alone (dated just last month). He has also contributed, in the past six months, to several topics on the English IslamicAwakening internet forum. All his Islamist websites are still currently on-line as well, containing as they do his “conversion” writings, such as From Neo-Nazi to Muslim.
In addition, the new material, distributed by the ONA in the past three years, and attributed to Anton Long, would certainly seem to indicate that he hasn’t abandoned the ONA either. This new material includes an interview with AL (Toward The Dark Formless Acausal) dated 119 Year of Fayen, several new Occult short stories, and may new ONA MSS, such as The Mythos of the Dark Gods: Beings of Acausal Darkness, and The Five-Dimensional Magick of the Seventh Way. In fact, I think it’s true to say that more new ONA material has been circulated in the past three years than in the previous five years, with a lot of this new material being very recent, dating from this year (this is especially true of the Occult stories, such as Herewith, The Darkness).
All of which leaves us with “the usual questions” – such as what Myatt’s own, personal, goals and beliefs are; and how is it that someone can have so many public personae and produce so many varied, and apparently contradictory, works. For do not his Islamic writings and his public Muslim persona contradict the writings on The Numinous by, or attributed to, him? Does the ONA not contradict both Islam and this Numinous Way which he’s developed?
Or is there just a simple answer, which is easy to find if we accept that his ulterior motives, his aims, have never changed over the past four decades of what has been called his Promethean quest, and that everything he has done and is doing, every persona we associate with him, from fanatical nazi, to radical Islamist, to Nature loving mystic, to satanic Grand Master, is somehow connected – maybe in ways we might not understand nor appreciate – with those motives and aims?
This is the answer that I, and quite a few other people interested in Myatt and all his works, accept. It seems obvious, then, that his ulterior motives, and his aims, are sinister ones, connected with the ONA, and are to disrupt, in any way he can, what he calls “the Magian New World Order”; to produce and provoke and inspire change in people, and in society; with this disruption and this change being preludes to, and the foundation of, his vision of Homo Galactica and of a Dark Imperium whose basis is a new breed of warrior like individuals whose way of life is founded on personal honor.
It’s interesting – and important – that one of newer ONA MSS, written by Anton Long and dated this year, is a short incisive essay entitled, simply, Dark Imperium, which I will quote here, in full, as it kind of “gives the game away”.
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One of the exoteric – practical and outward – aims of The Order of Nine Angles is to aid the creation of a Dark Imperium. This Dark Imperium is and will be a manifestation, a practical implementation, of The Sinister, of The Sinister Dialectic, where Sinister Adepts (and, of course, Sinister Masters and Lady Masters) guide, control and manipulate – on a large scale – ordinary (non-Initiated) mortals, and thus effect sinister changes in a particular society, or in many societies.It is one of the aims of the person named by sinister esoteric tradition as Vindex to create the foundations for this Dark Imperium, and, in practical terms, the Dark Imperium will be a large, organized – most probably militaristic – society whose ideals are those of excellence and of the noble honourable warrior and warrioress, and whose ethos will be essentially pagan. In addition, this Dark Imperium will function on the basis of the warrior leadership-principle and not upon any form of democracy, just as – and importantly – the basis for the law, for the justice, of the new societies of this Imperium will be personal honour (the law of the warrior), and not the abstract, dis-honourable, law that has come to dominate all Western societies, to the detriment of our evolution as a species.
Given this distinctive practical nature of the Dark Imperium, it will thus be ideologically, violently, and of necessity, opposed to the current materialistic, “politically-correct”, democratic, plebeian, status quo, in the West, and elsewhere, and – once established – one of the first practical aims of this new Imperium will be to extend, if necessary by force of arms and conquest, its Law of the Warrior to other societies, creating in time a new world-wide Empire. It is this new world Empire which will efficiently begin the practical colonization of Space, first in our own Solar System, and then among the stars. It will do this practical exploration and colonization of Space both as duty and as a necessity, since such practical exploration and colonization is an integral part of its fundamental, irrevocable, pagan and warrior ethos.
Furthermore, such a Dark Imperium will, outwardly, not be directly associated with “the Satanic” or with “Satanists”, although, under the guidance, the leadership, of Vindex and his (or her) successors, this warrior society will be aiding the Sinister Dialectic and thus achieving long-term Sinister, Satanic, goals.
Of course, Sinister Adepts – and some sagacious non-Initiates – will understand that such a Dark Imperium is itself only a stage; only one part of an Aeonic process; and that, as such, it does not represent the essence, nor the ultimate aims, of the ONA itself, although it is only to be expected that the majority among the plebeius will fail to appreciate the difference.
In essence, the Dark Imperium is a stage toward the emergence of – a means to create – that new human species which Sinister Adepts have named, variously, as Homo Sol, Homo Galactica and Homo Galacticus: the Promethean species whose homes, whose dwellings, whose life, will be among the star-systems of our Galaxy, and then among the star-systems of other Galaxies in the causal Cosmos.
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Of course Myatt – in his Muslim persona and when asked – publicly affirms his continuing commitment to Islam; still continues, publicly and privately and consistently, to deny being Anton Long; denies any involvement with the ONA, and denies authorship of the few new, dated and undated, articles, about The Numinous Way, which have appeared on the internet in the past two or three years and which, sometimes, have been attributed to him or have had his name added to them.
Is Myatt still imbued with the task of [ONA] Master?
I think it’s obvious (to perceptive individuals outside the ONA) that he’s still leading this “Dark Order” – given his recent works as “Anton Long”; the new stories, for instance; the newer esoteric MSS in the past two years (of which there are dozens) – and it’s naturally well known among those individuals who are “of the ONA”. In fact, I think he’s probably done more stuff (including written material) for the ONA these past two years than he has in his role as Islamist Jihadist, and in his self created role of “Nature mystic”, evident in his recent letters, poems and Numinous Way stuff.
Which I suppose leads us on to the value, and purpose, in esoteric terms, of this “mystical” stuff – his Jihadist stuff obviously being useful in achieving some sinister goals.
My assumption, my personal view, and that of several other people I know, is that he crafted his Numinous Way for a specific very long term purpose, which is of providing a complete pagan “way” to enable some people to live beyond and independent of the current “System” (the New World Order and the like with its Magian values). That is, to create new communities and from them, over causal time, new dynamic and warrior tribes, for the ethic of personal honor, and the law of honor, are the ethical foundations of this new “way” of his. His development of this Way was – somewhat fortuitously – helped by his own recent personal experiences, of bereavement and the like, and this enabled him to create another persona for himself, or perhaps more accurately to more fully develop another aspect of himself (which was already there and evident in his poetry), which persona - that of a Nature loving mystic – some individuals can identify with and which then changes, inspires, them and leads them to do stuff and maybe develop this pagan way further and into new directions.
Thus, it seems obvious that he’s never – despite outward appearances – changed his inner goals or his “loyalty” to his own sinister path. He’s just somehow managed to synthesize the array of his amazingly diverse experiences in an alchemical way (that is, in a magickal way) to aid those goals and that path, although naturally most people don’t see this, and certainly wouldn’t understand it even if they did see it.
So, I think this new mystical stuff is part of the “overall package” – of setting certain things in motion, if you like, which are or which will become useful to “us” (even though it “appears” to be of “light” and not of “the dark”) and which will certainly aid the creation of a New Aeon as well as aid the fight against the Old, Magian, Order.
DarkLogos9
October 119yf
Anton Long: A Short Chronology of His Life
Tales of a Nazi Hacker (And More) by Pointyhat
In addition to the recent spate of anonymous posts on Internet forums pretending to ask for information about “David Myatt and Islam“, there has been, for several years, other anonymous posts about Myatt, to Internet forums, with titles like “A Nazi Hacker”.
These other posts make the absurd claim that some neo-nazi (or some neo-nazi Satanist) is hacking into the computers of “vulnerable” and/or “disabled” people, and stealing personal information about them. Sometimes Myatt is directly named in these posts; sometimes not, although if he is not directly named then links are given to biased articles about or concerning Myatt, which articles usually make the usual unproven allegations about “involvement with Satanism” and so on. Occasionally, these anonymous posts claim that the writer “has contacted the Police” about the hacking, and that the Police don’t take him/her/it seriously. The posts have appeared on forums as diverse as those about Billy Brag, those to do with “Black politics”, and those to do with education such as the “Association of Jewish Sixth Formers”.
Occasionally, there have been responses to these anonymous posts, with some respondents taking the ludicrous – and always unsubstantiated – claims seriously, and with some realizing they are the posts of a troll, a stalker, or someone with an obsession, with personality problems or some kind of personality disorder.
The total lack of evidence given for the allegations made, directly or indirectly, against Myatt is one of the most obvious features of not only these anonymous posts, but also of the many journalistic articles about Myatt which have regularly appeared and which do regularly appear in newspapers, in periodicals, and on the Internet. More often than not, the allegations revolve around alleged involvement with Satanism, although quite why anyone these days would find such now rather common-place activities startling, heretical, outlandish, or mildly salacious or even interesting, is never explained. Which is why, I suppose, the new anonymous stalker is trying a new angle – of “a nazi hacking the computers of disabled people”. Shock; horror; gasp! Hold the front-page! Let’s make a new BBC Panorama special!
It seems likely that all these anonymous posts about “David Myatt and Islam”, and about a “Nazi hacker”, are by one and the same person, given the content, the style, the attempts at being clever, and their placement on varying, and world wide, forums. The content almost always includes links to the above mentioned biased Internet articles about Myatt.
It also seems likely that we can expect more such posts by the anonymous person, for this person obviously has a serious obsession with Myatt, and obviously has either some personality disorder or some psychological problem, or – like Myatt’s infamous Zionist stalker - is intent, because of his own religious and/or political views, on trying to somehow discredit Myatt by such anonymous posts.
Perhaps there is only one Myatt stalker out-there in cyber-land: the “original Myatt stalker” (®Trademark) – a.k.a the obsessive Zionist – who has now branched out, and is trying some new anti-Myatt angle. Perhaps there are now two stalkers, the original one, and this “new Myatt stalker” (®Trademark) who is addicted to posting stories about Myatt and who, obviously deluded, sees himself/herself/itself as rather clever by inventing stories about a Nazi hacker and by pretending to ask for information while repeating unproven allegations about Myatt.
Personally, my view is that there are now two Myatt stalkers. But perhaps some more will join this select and always anonymous group, and they will get together to widen the scope of their allegations. How’s about: “David Myatt is an alien from Outer Space”? Or: “Myatt is a vampire and regularly sucks the blood of his victims?” Too outré? OK, how’s about: “Myatt the secret MI5 agent”? Oh, sorry, that’s already been done. Well, then, how’s about: “Myatt the secret cat-burglar”? Or: “Myatt the drug-dealer”. Or even: “I was Myatt’s sex slave and the freaky fiend had a passion for three women in a bed…”
But what does seem clear from these regular anonymous posts which have been regularly occurring for at least seven years is that there are disturbed maladjusted people “out there” who take cowardly advantage of the Internet to anonymously spread their delusions, their fantasies, their prejudices, their unproven allegations – and the lies of others – about Myatt. Part of the human condition, I suppose. Potential opfer, anyone?
David Myatt: 5GW Operative, MI5 Agent, Trickster Mage – Or Simply Muslim?
For those that don’t know, 5GW is “fifth generation war” which is a modern development of guerrilla warfare in which socalled “superempowered individuals” – often using modern technology – go around creating chaos and doing “terrible terrorist deeds”. The prediction of some conspiracy theorists is that “we’ve seen nothing yet” and that some of these “superempowered individuals” will cause carnage on an unprecedented scale. Such individuals are prefigured in people like Timothy McVeigh.
A 5GW Operative is someone who does “spooky action at a distance” – who is acting on behalf of those “powers-behind-the-scenes” that like to use chaos, and especially socalled “terrorist attacks”, as a pretext for increased government control, increased surveillance, and government tyranny. That is, such an operative is a new version of the traditional “spook” – someone who works alone and is ruthless.
According to some conspiracy theorists, David Myatt is at the very least an MI5 agent, and possibly a 5GW Operative, who has spent decades supporting ultra-violent causes, and inciting hatred and conflict and terrorism. Here is a quote from a recent article about some 5GW Operatives:
Thus, Myatt’s role – according to such theories – has been to create “terrorist scares” (so as to give the government the excuse to “crack down on extremism and terrorism”) and to recruit individuals to do dastardly things. Individuals like David Copeland, or – more recently perhaps – some of the many, many British Muslims who in the past four years have plotted to massacre hundreds, if not thousands, of people in Britain, and elsewhere, and all but a few of which have been caught before they could explode their bombs.
According to such theories, the ONA – for example – was part of a spooky clandestine plan to recruit and train ruthless individuals who would be directed to cause chaos, and undertake the odd murder, or assassination or two, or let off the occasional bomb, and to generally create “terrorist scares”.
According to such theories, Myatt’s role in Combat 18 – for example – was very simple:
According to such theories, Myatt has been a government spook for most of his adult life, having been recruited while at University, and having been trained by Column 88, which was part of the UK arm of NATO’s secret Gladio Cold War organization, whose task was to conduct sabotage in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe. Even Myatt’s two terms of imprisonment for violence are easily explained away by the parameters of this spook theory: designed to give him credibility in the violent milieu of the racist Right.
There is a rather neat symmetry to this theory about Myatt. To quote from the Rigorous Intuition article again:
Myatt may seem to have flitted from one politico-religious philosophy to another, but there is a terrible thread of continuity and rigour through his life and writings that suggests he is much more than a disingenuous provocateur. Naziism and Islamicism have served, in turn, as modalities of disruption for what remains at core an occult working to sow general chaos and division – the necessary passage of “Helter Skelter” to break down the Old Order, before the founding of the New.
So again: whose interests are served by there being a David Myatt? Is he is own man – or men – or does he belong to someone else? Or is it something else – an intelligence service perhaps…”
But it’s surely all too easy to interpret past actions, and writings, according to a certain theory. A certain theory which is – Simple? Absolutely. Satisfying? – certainly; giving symmetry? – indeed. But it doesn’t seem convincing, to me, once one starts to question it; there are, perhaps, too many inconsistencies. Such as – Myatt’s time as a Christian monk. Such as – Myatt’s Nature-loving, often mystical, often sad poetry, which is certainly at odds with the image of a ruthless (if not sociopathic) agent. Such as – Myatt’s personal letters and wrings (especially in the last three years) which seem to reveal a somewhat sensitive man, and is certainly at odds with the hate-filled, psychotic, rabid Jew-hating individual he is often portrayed to be.
Yet the supporters of such a theory about Myatt might well point out (and some of them have) that such “inconsistencies” are deliberate creations (by a master Trickster – a Master Shrencher in ONA-speak), designed to throw us off the scent, as it were. Convenient? You bet – like most conspiracy theories, which can always explain away those most inconvenient facts which seem to contradict the cherished theory.
For myself, I think there are two more reasonable, more plausible, explanations for the strange peregrinations evident in Myatt’s strange life.
The first – accepted by people like Julie Wright, who has extensively studied Myatt’s life and who knows him personally – is that:
In this scenario, even Myatt’s Islam is a role. That is, he assumed the role of radical Muslim to further his own Occultic sinister, Satanic, agenda.
The second explanation is that Myatt’s life-long quest has been a profoundly individual one, which has indeed taken him from one (apparent) extreme to another (apparent) extreme, and that’s it ’s been for him a voyage of personal (and Promethean) discovery.
Thus, it’s all a question of Myatt’s intent – of whether he’s been deliberately, and for decades, pursuing some sort of “sinister (or even neo-nazi) strategy”, or whether he’s just been an individual traveler, going his own way in his own time, learning from the experiences, and possibly taking a few of us to “where no one has gone before”.
There is, however, a third explanation – which I personally tend to favor – and this explanation is rather a blend of the previous two explanations. In this third scenario, Myatt started out with perhaps a sinister (and/or a neo-nazi) intent, but has in recent years – due to, as he says in many personal writings, pathei mathos – moved far away from this, as seems evident, for example, in his many (now unacknowledged) recent writings about The Numinous Way, which writings extol the virtue of compassion, personal love, and empathy. Thus, in the process, he has gone beyond National Socialism, beyond the Occult as manifest in the ONA, and beyond Islam, to create his own unique philosophy, which is evident in his recent poems, his recent personal letters and his most recent writings about The Numinous Way, which recent writings seems to have taken him beyond even “the abstraction of the folk” (refer to Note 1 below) to something seemingly entirely new, rather mystical and certainly ethical.
At this point, some comment should certainly be made about the many personal writings, and letters, and articles (about The Numinous Way) which have been circulating these past three years and which have been attributed to – but are publicly unacknowledged by – Myatt. My own, personal, view of this matter is that these items represent where Myatt is now, in his personal exploration; that is, they reflect his own thinking, his personal philosophy, his own beliefs, if you will, resulting from his decades-long and varied quest. However, he – at least for the moment – continues to project, to have, a rather different public image, which is that of still being Muslim. Why? In my view for two reasons. The first reason is because he still feels honorably bound by “the oath of loyalty” he gave on becoming Muslim, and the second is that he still regards radical Islam as the most effective practical way to fight “the dishonor of the New World Order” and so does not wish to publicly criticize it in any way.
Of course, I’m making assumptions here, and it’s only fair to give Myatt’s public comments on such matters, which are that he’s still a committed Muslim, and that (1) he did continue to develop The Numinous Way, for a while as a Muslim, but “as a Muslim, I regard my earlier philosophy, which I first called “Folk Culture” and then The Numinous Way, as kufr – a concealment of the reality, the truth, of Tawheed, and thus as a manifestation of Jahiliyyah” and (2) that some dates on some articles of his have been altered or added by “various people”; and there are some forgeries in circulation.
But – despite all this, despite all my ramblings, above – I’m sure most people will prefer the simplicity of either the conspiracy theory about Myatt, or the “sinister intent”/satanist theory about him, propounded by the likes of Julie Wright, and Searchlight. For, let’s face it, such theories – however fanciful or simplistic – are just so much more interesting and entertaining.
RS
April 2008 CE
Notes:
(1) See – for example – the updated version (dated 2454577.317) of his essay Pride and Presumption, the updated version of The Development of The Numinous Way and Other Questions (Revised 2454576.039) and Version 2.01 of his FAQ About The Numinous Way.
Searchlight is a British monthly magazine produced by the anti-fascist Searchlight organization, which was founded in 1970’s by several Jewish anti-fascist activists. For over twenty years – beginning in the February 1984 issue – Searchlight regularly repeated rumors about, and made allegations concerning, Myatt’s alleged involvement with Satanism. Searchlight’s attacks on Myatt culminated in the April 1998 issue of the magazine which featured a photograph of Myatt – taken during a Combat 18 demonstration in London – on the front cover together with the headline “The Most Evil Nazi in Britain…” and a five-page story about Myatt and the Order of Nine Angles (ONA). In addition, Searchlight devoted two-pages to Myatt – under the headline David Myatt: Theoretician of Terror – in its “Special Edition” of July 2000 devoted to the London Nail-bomber, David Copeland.
The common feature of all these Searchlight stories about Myatt are: (1) the allegations that he is a Satanist, and that he either founded and leads the Order of Nine Angles, or is “a leading member” of the ONA; and (2) a lack of any evidence supporting these allegations.
Thus, and for instance, the article in the April 1998 issue boldly states: “Formed by Myatt himself in the 1980s, the ONA is a secret society that prides itself on following traditional Satanism…” No evidence whatsoever is presented to support this assumption that Myatt formed the ONA. Likewise, no evidence is presented elsewhere for Myatt’s involvement in either the ONA or with Satanism in general. The only shred of “evidence” they could find is that Thormynd Press, which published some of Myatt’s National Socialist writings and was set-up by Myatt himself, once allegedly shared a Post Office Box with another publisher who published some ONA writings. When asked about this, in an 1997 interview with Nick Lowles (now the Editor of the Searchlight magazine) Myatt simply stated that he was simply, and for a short period only, doing a favor for a “long-standing friend” some of whose views and activities he personally did not agree with. Neither Lowles nor anyone from Searchlight investigated the matter further, even though Myatt’s comment to Lowles is confirmed by private letters written by Myatt some years earlier to Professor Jeffrey Kaplan, author of several books in which Myatt is mentioned. [See, for example, footnote #51 of Kaplan's book Nation and Race which also mentions a letter Myatt wrote, in July 1994, to a Mr Williams, stating that Myatt's Occult involvement, such as it was, was mainly in the 1970's and part of a clandestine campaign - which he elsewhere admitted he later abandoned - to convert some of those individuals to National Socialism.]
More recently, several newspaper articles about Myatt – which reproduce Searchlight’s allegations of Occult involvement by Myatt (without providing any evidence) – have included quotes from Searchlight’s Gerry Gable which continued Searchlight’s attempts to defame and smear Myatt, alleging, for example, that Myatt was just using radical Islam to further his “anti-Establishment agenda” and that he was still a fanatical neo-nazi who was only pretending to be a Muslim.
In addition, a few years after the BBC Panorama program about Copeland which featured Myatt (which program was edited by a certain Nick Lowles) Searchlight seemed to change its tactics regarding Myatt. They ceased describing him as “a dangerous man” and instead said: “Myatt is a self-publicist who has claimed to have taken up many guises, including being a monk. Satanism is probably his overriding inspiration. He still supports neo-Nazi groups and contributes to their websites…” According to Myatt’s biographer, Julie Wright:
Furthermore, and somewhat strangely, the avowedly anti-fascist Searchlight has made no recent comment on the fact that Myatt – a Muslim since 1998 – has, many times in the past three years, publicly renounced his former neo-nazi views and confirmed his commitment to Islam, a commitment which precludes any involvement whatsoever with Satanism. Presumably, no such comment has been forthcoming by them because such a public disavowal, by Myatt, of his former views – and his apparent acceptance by other Muslims – means that their old tactics of defaming Myatt by accusing him of being a Satanist, and still a neo-nazi, would no longer work. Or possibly they have just lost interest in the man.
But, somewhat bizarrely, Michael Whine, Chairman of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, has been quoted as saying, in respect of Myatt:
Which seems rather a strange comment to make – a Zionist Jew, leader of the most influential Jewish organization in Britain, telling Muslims what to do. Perhaps, after all, they do still regard him as “a dangerous man”.
References:
* Searchlight, issue of Feb 1984
* Searchlight, issue of April 1984
* Searchlight, issue of January 1991
* Searchlight, issue of July 1995
* Searchlight, issue of April 1998
* Searchlight, issue of July 2000
* Jeffrey Kaplan, “Religiosity and the Radical Right: Toward the Creation of a New Ethnic Identity,” in Jeffrey Kaplan and Tore Bjørgo, eds., Nation and Race: The Developing Euro-American Racist Subculture (Northeastern University Press, 1998)
* Mr Evil: The Secret Life of Racist Pub Bomber David Copeland by Graeme McLagen and Nick Lowles (Blake Publications, England, July 2000)
* Sunday Mercury newspaper (Birmingham, England), 9 July 2000
* White Riot: The Violent Story of Combat 18 by Nick Lowles (Milo Books, England, 2001)
* Sunday Mercury 16 February 2003
* The Times (London) 24 April 2006: What the neo-nazi fanatic did next
* Julie Wright: The Machinations of Journalists
* Julie Wright: David Myatt, Islam, National Socialism and Racism
* Abdul-Aziz ibn Myatt: Statement for Journalists
* Abdul-Aziz ibn Myatt: Live Dialogue on Sheikh Qaradawi’s website
* Questions to ibn Myatt: Islamic Awakening Forum
David Myatt and Islam: A Plethora of Posts From a Stalker
Introduction
The following item about Myatt – under various titles including David Myatt and Islam – has been appearing on many, mainly political, forums, world-wide, within the last month, and is posted under various user names.
So far, there have been about fifteen forums infested with this message, all of which messages are identical, which certainly does indicate a concerted campaign of disinformation by (probably) just one individual who has a rather unhealthy obsession with Myatt.
I say “disinformation” because the person makes a rather silly pretense of doing some “research” and asking for information about Myatt, stating that “the only information from independent sources that I can find is…” and then gives links to two sites which are far from being “independent sources”. One is a conspiracy site by a conspiracy nut; the other is a political organization which has been posting various unsubstantiated allegations about Myatt for over twenty years, and which is itself rumored to be linked to Britain’s MI5 (see the Wikipedia article about this “Searchlight” group for more info).
It is a silly pretense about asking for information about Myatt, because:
Anyone who’s seriously interested in the relationship that may exist between some Muslims and the far Right would have found and read Professor Michael’s book about the subject – The Enemy of My Enemy: The Alarming Convergence of Militant Islam and the Extreme Right - which provides some good info.
Anyone who’s seriously interested in David Myatt would have found the Wikipedia article about him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt
which provides a fairly balanced overview of the man, and gives references for further research.
The person also makes at least three factual errors in his two short paragraphs. The errors are:
(1) “he announced to the world”. Wrong – Myatt kept quiet about it for nearly two years.
(2) “It made quite an impact in the UK press at the time”. Wrong. It went unnoticed until two years later, after Myatt featured on BBC Panorama program about Copeland. Even then, there were only a few articles about Myatt.
(3) “since then I have heard nothing”. Wrong. Like I said, he missed the full page article in The Times newspaper, and Myatt’s Q&A session on Sheikh Qaradawi’s website, and Myatt’s interesting article “From Neo-Nazi to Muslim” which has appeared on many Islamic websites, including recently one in the UK, and one in Thailand.
The sources given by this obvious cyber-stalker are clearly hostile ones despite the stalker writing “I don’t think either of them is a hostile source…” [regarding Searchlight, see the upcoming article "David Myatt and Searchlight" which will appear on this blog soon].
It is possible that the offending author of the offending post is the young Canadian-based Zionist who has a Myatt obsession and who has been stalking Myatt for over seven years.
I reproduce the item in question as it has appeared on such forums, complete with links.
The Offending Post
I am interested in the relationship between Muslim extremism and the far Right.
A few years ago a guy called David Myatt announced to the world that he was converting to the muslim faith. Up to that point he had a strong involvement with various neo-nazi political groups. It made quite an impact in the UK press at the time, but since then I have heard nothing. The only information from independent sources that I can find is this:
http://rigorousintuition.yuku.com/topic/821/t/David-Myatt-Searchlight-article.html
and this:
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/nazi.html
Please help out if you can find anything else on this.
I haven’t put any gaps in my links because I don’t think either of them is a hostile source. If there are any problems, will the Moderator please get in touch and I will change them.
Update and Addendum:
More on the New Myatt Stalker:
As reported above, an anonymous person has been posting dozens of messages to forums, world-wide, pretending to be doing some “research” into either David Myatt or into cooperation between Muslims and neo-nazis.
I write “pretending”, for the reasons given above, but to summarize: the obvious intent of this new stalker is to try to discredit Myatt by posting links to biased articles containing unproven allegations against Myatt while claiming that he/she “can only find” the posted “independent” links which are far from being “independent”.
In a new twist, the stalker posted an even more obsequious message that usual on an Islamic forum, giving the “usual two biased links”, as before, but added a quote from a forged item – questioning Myatt commitment to Islam – the like of which quote the zionist stalker (famous for his failed attempts to discredit Myatt on the Islamic Awakening forum) has posted several times before.
This post – like some of the other posts by the new stalker – drew the attention of a certain Myatt fan: someone who finds Myatt’s life interesting and respects his conversion to Islam. So, the fan replied to the stalker’s message on the Islamic forum, pointing out that the new stalker was possibly the zionist who had insulted the Prophet, Muhammad (which insult, many Muslims believe, carries the death penalty for Muslims and non-Muslims alike) and who had been stalking Myatt for around seven years.
This reply elicited an excited response from the new stalker: “I am so cross…Why is he stalking me?” he wrote, trying to deflect attention from his own stalking of Myatt by accusing the Myatt fan of stalking him, a familiar, and rather cry-baby, tactic which the “old” zionist stalker had also tried to use on numerous occasions, on Usenet and elsewhere. Obviously the new stalker forgets that he is the one who posted dozens of messages about Myatt, under various, different, user-names, pretending to ask to “information”, perhaps believing that he/she is being very clever by posting what they believe is a “cleverly crafted” message.
The stalker also accused the Myatt fan of being Myatt, another common ruse employed by obsessives in cyberspace obsessed with getting their obsession across.
Here is one of the replies by the Myatt fan (who for some conspiratorial reason often uses the user-name raffy) to the reply by the person who does seem to be rather obsessed with Myatt in a somewhat negative sort of way.
Anyone of any sagacity can see right through your “polite request” for info – as I pointed out in my first reply to your initial post.
Instead of answering the points I made about your post being just a trick to spread malicious rumors and allegations about Myatt, you now just use the tired old Usenet-type tactic of making accusations against me, of trying to shift the focus away from your factual errors, of which there are many.
So, what about the many factual errors contained in your original short post?
Thus, I repeat my points:
1) If you really are doing some serious research, then you would have found far more than the two spurious so-called “independent” items you linked to. Items such as books by Professor Kaplan, and Professor Michael.
2) If you had done even some preliminary, elementary research you would have found that Myatt did not “announce his conversion” to the world, as you claimed.
3) What about your error that “It made quite an impact in the UK press at the time…”? It went unnoticed for almost two years.
4) What about your error that “since then I have heard nothing…” ? Like I wrote, you missed the full page story in The Times newspaper; you missed Myatt’s question and answer session on Sheikh Qaradawi’s website. You missed an awful lot more.
5) What about your erroneous claim that the two sources you could find (obviously your Google or Yahoo searches are very different from mine) are “independent”? They are not independent in any shape or form. One makes the claim – without providing any evidence – that Myatt was/is an MI5 agent, and one is a political organization which even many on the Left in Britain find somewhat dubious because of its (alleged) links with MI5 and its past divisive actions within the Left. The people at Searchlight are just part of The Fourth estate: they do not deal in facts, but in innuendo, smear, allegations and assumptions.
As for the allegation that Myatt is MI5, this has now been taken further, with claims that he’s a 5GW operative (wow!) – but again, proof is lacking. It’s just assumption.
See
http://www.skilluminati.com/Research/entry/the_language_of_power
and
So, the conclusion is – due to all these errors and mistakes – that your post is just a ruse to spread unsubstantiated allegations about Myatt. If it was not, you would at the very least have given some other links which balanced the biased view of Searchlight – which, BTW, never presented any evidence for their allegations, ever. Check out:
http://aboutmyatt.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/david-myatt-and-searchlight-rumors/
Identity of the New Stalker Revealed?
Update, May 9, 2008 CE
Someone drew my attention, the other day, to a remarkable similarity between the many messages about Myatt, mentioned above, and messages posted some months ago, on forums like Stormfront, asking questions about a certain Richard Moult (ex-ONA).
The identity of the Moult stalker/troublemaker is well-known among esoteric-minded folk of the sinister kind (a few of whom have “put a hex on him”). This particular individual hails from Shropshire, and he has something of an unsavory reputation as a wife-beater, has a personal grudge against Moult, and has tried to sell stories of Moult’s involvement with the ONA, and with Myatt’s Reichsfolk, to various British tabloid newspapers, who just weren’t interested.
So, it’s possible that this person has now turned his attentions – for whatever warped reasons – to Myatt (a former personal friend of Moult’s).
But it’s also possible, of course, that it’s just the old zionist Myatt stalker (of Islamic Awakening forum fame) trying out new tactics, which have failed miserably.
